Infinite number of pages?

Question

Hello,

Currently we don't have a real "pages" setup, i.e. an indefinite number of layouts.

If one wants to have a custom layout for each scene of a performance (for example, one for each song), we are limited to a fixed number that's a bit low (i think 7 or 8).

What if one wants to play a 18 song show?

Thanks!!

Comments

Have you seen page banks?

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http://mididesigner.com/qa/1598/add-pages-to-bank

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Hello Joppino,  I wonder what midi devices you use. And do those devices have there own presets becourse if they do, it would make things a lot more easy.  Then you could select a preset and control some of the parameters you need.  Can you give us more info?

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Hello there, thanks for your support.

The midi gear is a Muse Receptor. Since I'm a Linux admin since 1995, I customized the inner workings of the software by adding a RTP-MIDI implementation directly inside it, so the MiDI Designer can connect to it via a wireless network. The receptor works with presets, (program changes), and each preset has one ore more vst instrument.

What i'm currently doing with S1 Midi Trigger (but I'd prefer the UI of MIDI Designer) is that I prepared a list of "scenes" for each preset: A scene, for example, lets me raise the volume of an orchestra and a choi for scene 1, then for scene 2 get those to 0, and raise a lead synth volume, and so on. This guarantees speed and performance in a live situation.

You'll understand that each "preset"/"song" got different scene layout and different commands that must be sent for each of the scenes available: so for instance, every preset must have its own layout. From here, the need to have a different layout for each preset.

Thanks!

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joppino, geer: great information. Very glad to know this!

So: what about page banks?

Answer 1

This is not that easy. If I understand right, (sorry if I misunderstood) you want to send 3 or more midi-codes with just 1 button like 1 select pre-set, 2 select VST, 3 select sound 4 select scene and you want to adjust a number of controls in different scenes of a pre-set. 

First, it is possible to have 1 button to send a number of midi-codes in sequence. 
For the sound-controller’s I assume that there will not be that many kinds of controller’s and that de midicodes are the same for each template/scene. If this is true, I would try to have sliders for each midicode and put them on one bankpage with a scene selector button or divide the page in scenes each with scene selectors. 
I know this is not an answer to your wishes but I hope this brings you to ideas. 

The way to have one button send more than one midicode: 
Make a number of selectionbuttons (supercontrols) and group them as subs of a slider. Make a ‘configpage’ . Put all the ‘midisendbuttons’ on that page. Make ‘midisendbuttons’ a sub of the corresponding ‘selectionbutton’. 
 

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Thanks for your answer but there is a misunderstanding:) i succeeded in sending multiple volume ccs using supercontrols: the problem
Is with page banks. Maybe i'm
Mistaken, but in the way things are now, you have two separate banks for "left" page and "right" page. This means that if i want to use, for example, first 6 presets in a bank and the subsequent 6 in another, i 've got no "link" between the two banks, they have to be changed independently. This seems to me unnecessarlily complicated, but maybe the product is not Made for this specific category of instruments.

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Sorry to hear my answer is no use to you. I use navigation buttons to jump to any double page i want. See my GR55 template http://mididesigner.com/qa/3738/roland-gr-55-line6-x3-controller-layout

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Thank you, i'm trying with page navigation and banks. One problem tough. On each page I added one "previous page" button and one "next page" button. I setup midi designer to be one big page, and banks change together. If I start from page one, then push the "next page button", it goes to page two. By doing it again, it goes to page FOUR, then acts normally to five and six. What i'm doing wrong?

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Never mind. I recreated all by hand and it works. I tried to create a page with the buttons, then cloning it for all the pages in the bank, but this creates problems. Creating the button in each page by hand makes it work.

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The trouble maker here is when you do “Make Similar ” to a ‘NavButton’ it will copy the sub’s of the button to the new button. This causes the strange behaviour.
Just check the sub’s of the ‘NavButton’ and correct them. Second, things work best to have the NavButton and the subs on the same page.

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Ok, now i'm stuck again. Please help because i'm nearly done!

I have created page banks: 6 for the first (1/5) bank and 3 for the second (2/6) bank. I created two buttons >> and << which shift the page (the >> on the last page bank switches bank).

Also, I made them a supercontrol for a fader with presets. The fader sends the program changes 1-9 and displays the curent song name. All is good. The only thing that is missing now is that I'd like to jump directly to "song 8" for example, from song 1, and send the program change on "release", using the fader instead of the << >> buttons (which increment and decrement the fader).

The program change part works: but how to switch to the correct page + bank for that preset?

Thanks!!!!

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Hi Joppino, make sure the nav-button(supercontrol) and the hidden (subs) 'go to page' buttons are on the same page. Do this for every page. The extra slider sub schould not make a diference if you have the subs in the right order.  Hope this helps.

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Thank you geer-assink: but can the button "go to page" be parametrized by the "preset" number of the fader? Or is it fixed?

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Sorry, I never tried this.

Answer 2

This is not that easy. If I understand right, (sorry if I misunderstood) you want to send 3 or more midi-codes with just 1 button like 1 select pre-set, 2 select VST, 3 select sound 4 select scene and you want to adjust a number of controls in different scenes of a pre-set. 

First, it is possible to have 1 button to send a number of midi-codes in sequence. 
For the sound-controller’s I assume that there will not be that many kinds of controller’s and that de midicodes are the same for each template/scene. If this is true, I would try to have sliders for each midicode and put them on one bankpage with a scene selector button or divide the page in scenes each with scene selectors. 
I know this is not an answer to your wishes but I hope this brings you to ideas. 

The way to have one button send more than one midicode: 
Make a number of selectionbuttons (supercontrols) and group them as subs of a slider. Make a ‘configpage’ . Put all the ‘midisendbuttons’ on that page. Make ‘midisendbuttons’ a sub of the corresponding ‘selectionbutton’.